The impact of the “What the f—?” moments in the Trump/Harris debate
All of us who watched the ABC News presidential debate this week shared an experience: a whole bunch of “What the fuck?” moments. These were statements made by the candidates that seemed, not just odd, but completely incendiary, implausible, and out of left field. So let’s evaluate what they said and just as important, was it effective?
The “What the fuck?” moments in the debate
Trump had several. These are taken directly from the debate transcript.
“In Springfield [Ohio], they’re eating the dogs. The [migrants] that came in. They’re eating the cats. They’re eating — they’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”
“The plan is, as you know, the vote is, they have abortion in the ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor, who’s doing an excellent job, but the governor before. He said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we’ll execute the baby.”
“[Kamala Harris] wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.”
Harris said fewer things that seemed completely implausible, but here’s one:
“My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month.”
None of these statements are true. But they are, as you might say, “inspired” by actual incidents and facts. A woman in Canton, Ohio (not Springfield) who was not a migrant did get arrested for abducting and eating a cat. Executing babies after they are born is illegal everywhere in America, but the former governor of Virginia (not West Virginia) did discuss third-trimester abortions for severe fetal abnormalities in the context of a bill that was being debated in his state. And Harris did check a box in a 2019 questionnaire indicating she supported medical care for detainees, which includes transgender care, but is certainly not advocating for it.
As for Harris’s statement, it’s true that Donald Trump wants to impose a 10% to 20% tariff on all imported goods and a 60% tariff on goods from China, which economists estimate would increase the cost of goods for a typical family by $1,700 per year when the cost is passed along to the consumer. But that’s not a sales tax.
Will these outlandish statements be effective?
The target audience for the debate — and these statements — must begin with undecided voters. Even low-information voters who haven’t been paying much attention are well aware of Trump’s positions and persona from his 12 years in the presidential spotlight, across three campaigns and one administration. They may be less aware of Kamala Harris, who’s only really been the center of attention for the presidency for about a month.
Inflation, abortion, and immigration are real issues and undecided voters certainly want to know what these presidential candidates are going to do about them. But their implausible statements are more likely to reflect poorly on the judgment of the candidate making them than to change anyone’s mind.
Fantasies about petnapping, transgender migrants, and imaginary baby executions may be good grist for rallies, but I don’t think anybody is going to decide the election based on them — although they may decide what they think about Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris also did herself a disservice by mischaracterizing Trump’s economic policy. A tariff is not a sales tax, and she made herself look dishonest by saying that so early in a debate that functioned in many ways as her introduction to the electorate. Later in the debate she cited statistics about Goldman Sachs’ estimation of the effect of Trump’s proposed tariffs on the economy, which was a lot more plausible.
There’s still time left in this election season. Economics — and perceptions of how the candidates will handle it — will most likely determine who wins. That is, unless one of the candidates continues to prove to the undecided voters just how loony and implausible they are with constant stream of “What the f—” moments.
Losers in this debate:
Trump
Harris
Moderators
The American public
This is the weakest two candidates in our lifetime, eclipsing the Trump-Biden and Trump-Hillary matches.
I think folks had hope that the democrats would post up a decent candidate in any of these three races. They did not.
Trump has been the perfects candidate. He does and says shit that makes no sense, exercises self-flagellation as an art, and seems lost most of the time and yet he is in the race solidly.
I think it’s more than a bit of a bummer to see the sales tax / tariff claim from Harris lumped in with these actually outlandish things Trump stated.
Whether it’s a tariff or a sales tax, the bottom line impact to the purchaser is more or less the same. The consumer doesn’t much care which it is.
But if an immigrant ate your pet, or your baby was murdered…? I don’t think it’s a stretch to call that a lot more extreme.
Let’s not always go the extra 5,000 miles to come up with some sort of vaguely equivalent mistake or faux pas by Harris, out of some feeling that we couldn’t otherwise call Trump out for his BS. Let’s remember the former name of this blog. IMHO.
I disagree. Nearly the first thing that Harris said was that Trump was planning a 20% sales tax on essentials that people buy. My ears immediately perked up and I thought “What? I never heard about that.” And it was a lie. Not only that, it’s a consequential lie about a major tax policy, when the actual truth is plenty scary. Why lie? Why not just be honest?
Trump’s lies are more incendiary and outrageous, but not more consequential. He also lied and said that we’ve had the highest inflation the history of the country — that’s a consequential lie. The other stuff is just red meat for low-information voters.
Truth is truth. We need to hold all of our elected officials to the same high standard. “Our lies are not as bad as your lies” is not really a type of politics that I’m willing to endorse.